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Tinic Uro Shows new Fullscreen HD Video in Flash Player

June 14th, 2007 by Mike Chambers

Ryan Stewart interviews Tinic Uro, the Flash Player engineering working on video improvements in the Flash Player. In the video, Tinic shows fullscreen, hardware acceleraed video running in the Flash Player in High Definition (720P and 1080P) resolutions.

Note, Ryan Stewart was not an Adobe employee at the time that the video was recorded.

This entry was posted on Thursday, June 14th, 2007 at 7:25 am and is filed under Flash Player.

44 Responses to “Tinic Uro Shows new Fullscreen HD Video in Flash Player”

On June 14th, 2007 at 9:39 am, Rick Mason wrote:

I’m confused about a comment at the end. Tinic says “it’s just VP6 and not even Sorenson”. Unless I’m missing something isn’t the VP6 codec significantly better than the old Sorenson codec? Or did he just spill something about a possible new codec in the player? Or did I miss something about a new Sorenson codec?
On June 14th, 2007 at 3:42 pm, Emmy Huang wrote:

Hi,

He’s basically saying that we’ve improved the existing On2 codec to perform better, which in combination with the multi-core support, hardware scaling in full screen, and other goodness makes hd-quality video achievable with Flash Player.

No new codec news here.

best,
e
On June 14th, 2007 at 3:51 pm, Emmy Huang wrote:

video interview: Ryan and Tinic dish about video improvements in Flash Player 9…

Don’t miss the video.onflex.org video interview with Ryan Stewart and Tinic Uro about the video quality and performance improvements in Update 3 (now on Adobe Labs)…….
On June 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pm, Todd Fraser wrote:

Ok, seriously, do all the interviewee’s at Adobe quickly clean their desks before an interview? Where’s the piles of snack food and magazines and Nerf guns?

Seriously though, it’s great to see and hear Tinic talk. I’ve been following his blog since it started and it’s so great to get the gritty details on how certain things work in the Flash Player (even if I have no idea what he’s talking about)
On June 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pm, Tinic Uro wrote:

Todd, my cube was so clean because I just moved into that one a couple of days earlier. Usually I have cups full of cold coffee all over the place which have been there for a couple of weeks. Or longer Also, luckily Ryan’s head was covering some evidence.
On June 14th, 2007 at 8:59 pm, mesh wrote:

I think Ill do a video tomorrow just of my desk, to show what a true Adobe desk looks like.

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com
On June 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pm, [ draw.logic ] DirectX and OpenGL Hardware Acceleration in Flash9 Update? « wrote:

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On June 15th, 2007 at 4:45 am, Ted wrote:

ok, NICE job with VP6 now lets move on and put VP7 in and get SERIOUS
On June 15th, 2007 at 7:55 am, www.video-flash.de wrote:

HD Video im Flash Player: Interview mit Tinic Uro…

Wer sich die News zum Thema HD-Video im Flash Player anschauen mÃ¶chte, kann dies nun auf onflex.org tun. Dort wird in einem Video gezeigt, was der hardware-unterstÃ¼tzte Fullscreen-Mode zu leisten vermag.
Link: Tinic Uro Shows new Fullscreen HD Video…
On June 15th, 2007 at 8:32 am, peterminator wrote:

Where can I see this Redbull video?
Thanks
On June 15th, 2007 at 10:17 am, Ted wrote:

Seriously guys…. whats up with VP7 ? Do we have to wait till Flash 10?

You gotta keep up or MoveNetworks or Vividas will get ahead in quality/bandwidth.

Or you are not allowed to say? Wich basically means yes VP7 for Flash 10 (my guess)
On June 15th, 2007 at 11:49 am, Andy wrote:

This is awesome new guys. Performance at large sizes/bitrates has been a pretty major stumbling block for a lot of applications and it’s really cool to see this sort of thing. Have fun on the bus tour, especially in Minneapolis : )
On June 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pm, Interview about the new flash player video enhancement « FlashColony webmaster’s blog wrote:

[...] a new video interviews Tinic Uro, a flash player engineering working with flash player team. Click here to watch the [...]
On June 19th, 2007 at 7:25 am, JT wrote:

Man, some of you guys… You just got HD Flash video and you’re already complaining to upgrade to VP7. Sheesh!
On June 19th, 2007 at 8:02 am, Tuesday links, online video technology theme | News Videographer wrote:

[...] a little preview of improvements to the next Flash player. Full screen, high def. Link via Online Video [...]
On June 19th, 2007 at 12:23 pm, work.rowanhick.com » Blog Archive » Hardware Accelerated Flash Video - the turning point? wrote:

[...] of the VC crazed crowd some interesting things are happening. Adobe’s announcement on HD content deployed using the Flash Player is very interesting indeed, not so much from the feature set, but what it’s actually doing [...]
On June 20th, 2007 at 1:13 am, aaron wrote:

does all of this functionality run via as2.0 [avm1] as well as as3.0[avm2]?
On June 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 am, James Gardiner wrote:

Come on people. VP7 is a real time codec for low latency applications.
VP6 has been good to FLASH, but it is by no means a great codec. (Quality per byte)

I must admit I have not played with VP6 a lot recently, but generally it is sucky compared to H.264 (AVC) or Windows Media 9 (VC1 which is in Silverlight).

So get with it Adobe. There is little excuse for not adopting H.264/AAC sooner. It may be a little heavy on the cpu cycles, but every day its getting better as people upgrade to 2 years old systems or newer. And finally, it is a SMPTE standard….

I am also amazed on the lack of DRM implementations. I can imagine your marketing department trying to come up with a way to make a lot of money out of DRM support, but that just flies in the face of the open source nature you have been adopting recently.

I hope you do not follow the old practice of making your new funky technology stupidly expensive, and near pricing yourself out of the industry as done in the past with remoteing services etc.

The DRM implementation should be an open spec (I know this flies in the face of what DRM is about, but every DRM is based on C++ compilers which are basically open source…) A reasonable level of security is possible with dynamic codec support. (Ie like HD-DVD can re-key all players according to spec, takes a while but means the systems has to be broken again.. but its the future.)

So pull your finger out guys. This is a VERY IMPORTANT issue to the future of media distribution. (ie making it possible for direct Producer to End User transactions possible. No more middle men.. ie big media companied dictating to the producers what they will sell, and taking all the profit.)

James
On June 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pm, JamieG Analysis wrote:

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On June 24th, 2007 at 5:14 pm, GRINDSTONE MEDIA » Blog Archive » Flash video grows up fast wrote:

[...] the way, have you seen the demonstration of high definition flash video by Tinic Uro? Forget Joost hello hi-def flash… (yummy) Posted by Ryan Filed in [...]
On June 27th, 2007 at 9:45 pm, Elephants Dream in Flash HD demo at BlenderNation wrote:

[...] you want to watch the interview, visit this article in video.onflex.org and watch the interview until the end, since Elephants Dream shows up in the last [...]
On June 28th, 2007 at 4:21 am, Floyd Dameron wrote:

Share the microphone. I could barely here the other guy.

- Floyd
On June 28th, 2007 at 4:56 am, JT wrote:

If Adobe ever adopts H.264 I think I’ll throw up. Keep that crap out of your player.
On July 4th, 2007 at 3:04 am, Fullscreen HD Video in Flash Player » Darren Richardson wrote:

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On July 17th, 2007 at 8:30 pm, Danny wrote:

Umm, Roger. You *should* play with VP6. It’s definitely better that WM9 and H.264. Side by side my friend. Good luck!
On July 17th, 2007 at 11:50 pm, cedoC rM wrote:

I agree with the above comment. Vp6 is good codec for low bit-rates. The compression is good at high bit-rates, but it suffers from high CPU utilization.
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On July 26th, 2007 at 8:07 am, FlashConnections » Blog Archive » New Flash Player improvements for video: Flash Video Resource wrote:

[...] Flash Player brings serious video quality improvements, for those who have the right hardware. In this video interview with Tinic Uro of Adobe, he discusses the specifics. Here are the [...]
On July 30th, 2007 at 5:00 am, NewTeeVee Is Web Video Ready for an HD Upgrade? « wrote:

[...] attacking the compression technologies, Adobe has taken steps to make Flash HD-happy. (Check out this video to get a better idea of where Flash is [...]
On August 1st, 2007 at 4:47 am, Web Video HD güncellemesine haz?r m?? at 6Patlar wrote:

[...] Geçen hafta sonu Apple‘?n kurucular?ndan Steve Wozniak ve Clear Communications‘?n kurucular?ndan Red McCombs’un HotSwap adl? bir start-up’a yat?r?m yapt?klar? haberi duyulmu?tu. UC Berkeley ö?rencileri taraf?ndan kurulan site ?imdilik araba videolar? ile dolu ve dijital s?k??t?rma teknolojilerinin online video’nun kalitesini nas?l artt?rd???n? gö?üslerini gere gere gösteriyor. HotSwap gibi firmalar s?k??t?rma teknolojilerine el atarlarsa, Adobe Flash’? HD hale getirmek için ad?mlar atacakt?r. (Flash’?n nereye do?ru yol ald???n? izlemek için bu video’yu izleyelim) [...]
On August 17th, 2007 at 10:51 am, Gabriel wrote:

I’m very impressed with the VP6 quality, and given the wide spread of the flash player and que quality and multi platform nature of the flash vide encoder, I realy think it is and will continue to be the the facto standart of the web video (and now desktop).

The real problem of flash video is the audio. MP3? Come on! To use an audio technology that’s more than 10 years old is a shame. What about multi-channel? No multi-channel.

Adobe must look very carefully to this question, in order to win this race.
On August 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pm, Ney wrote:

Well,

I got HD in flash with 1920×1080p 60fps playing just fine… very close to H.264 quality… Even it play better with no stoping or else. Also it start playing rightway… Here is a sample with a smaller size… 960×540p. Look at the quality!!!

http://www.interactivedna.com/HD

Best!

Ney
On August 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pm, Ney wrote:

Yes, I can make it play multi-channels of Audio too! Look at the playback and quality!!!! remember to play hd you gotta have a decent pc and broadband.

Let me know what you think!!!
On August 20th, 2007 at 4:23 am, Gabriel wrote:

Very impressive work! But how do you do multi-channel? Does Flash video/player supports MP3 Surround?
On August 20th, 2007 at 6:39 am, Ney wrote:

Gabriel,

What I can do is a HD-flash video that will play like this:

Video: It could have picture-in picture with sound/vo like Blue-Ray/HD-DVD functions.

Audio:Music divided by instruments… Meaning that you can turn-OFF selected sound(wave). This is new cool thing because the user has the control what he wants to hear… sometimes you may only wanted hear is just the drums and nothing else. I will be postting soon a 1280×720p version soon! And the file size is almost the same. So far I have not seen any video made with flash besides mine that doesn’t have the strobe-like playback problem “Like it has some pull-down problem”. And look at the quality!
On August 20th, 2007 at 9:36 am, Gabriel wrote:

Ney,

Your work was really amazing, the video quality and the video quality switch, the almost instant playback… fantastic. What bit rates have you used (each quality) and which encoder?

Back to the audio question: is it possible to do 5.1 audio?
On August 20th, 2007 at 9:57 am, Ney wrote:

Thanks Gabriel!

Well, I have not done any 5.1 sound for this thing yet… But I have something back on my mind that may work… I need to finish one project at the time. Another thing is that I think I did discover a way to deliver HD via dial-up connection… It something that no one has thought of…I think! I am finishing with a 720p version soon! Today I will upload the new version!
On August 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pm, Ney wrote:

Here is a 720p version of HD-flash:

http://www.interactivedna.com/HD_720p

Make sure you have Broadband and a decent pc!

best

Ney
On August 21st, 2007 at 4:18 am, Gabriel wrote:

I think my iMac G5 is not a decent pc… it couldn’t handle it, but the picture quality is gorgeous.

About HD on a dial-up connection it’s very interesting. Here in Brazil broadband connections are growing on a very fast rate, but th majority of the population still have dial-up, specialy at home. So, I’ll keep an eye on your work
On August 21st, 2007 at 6:08 am, Ney wrote:

Gabriel,

Qualquer computer comprado em menos de dois anos irar play ok!!! Macs are not that great with flash unless you are using the intel version. I will be posting soon a 1920×1080p version.

PS: This flash video plays better the quicktime H.264 and the video size is almost haf of the original size. And quality looks like from uncompress video. Also, this video in flash is 60% in quality and If I go about 90% you will not see any melt-pixels.
Best

Ney
On August 21st, 2007 at 11:09 am, Gabriel wrote:

I think the discussion above just rendered useless as of the today annoucement. Flash player now supports H.264 and HE-AAC.

VP6 is not dead, I think, as it is much more efficient and less cpu intencive than H.264, but MP3 on flash video is definetly gone.

It was a clever move from Adobe to consolidate it’s position as the dominant video format of the web. I think quicktime will suffer more than windowsmedia, but at least we will be probably able to use QTSS to stream live audio/video to the flash player.

Kudos Adobe.

P.S.: Bye bye Silverlight
On August 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pm, Ney wrote:

I am with you Gabriel! What’s up with Microsoft? And Flash Rocks!
On August 25th, 2007 at 3:38 am, Ney wrote:

True HD 720p in Full-screen mode with hardware scaling.

http://www.interactivedna.com/HD_FullScreen

requires the Flash Player 9 Update 3 Beta player from:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html

PS: Look at the quality and playback comparing to all other DEMOs using the Beta Flash Player. And the SUPER is only 60% quality of the orignal file.

Best,

Ney
On July 1st, 2008 at 7:17 am, Mark wrote:

We are developing a Flex app that will be delivered as a Desktop Air app. We are just creating the sound now for the experience and would like to use 5.1 Surround. The media content will be on CD or as a download file so will not need to stream. Is there a way to do this?

Thanks,
mark

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